Less Noise, More Signal

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Danny Dayan discuss the current economic landscape, focusing on inflation, the Federal Reserve's policies, and geopolitical dynamics. Danny draws parallels between today's economy and the 1960s, emphasizing the complexities of the labor market and the implications of financial conditions on growth. Dayan also explores global market opportunities, particularly in China and cryptocurrency, while highlighting the importance of a systematic approach to trading. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

01:11 The Fed's Inflation Dilemma 

04:39 Geopolitical Dynamics and Market Implications 

12:25 The Political Economy of Market Reactions 

16:04 Inflati...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Ram Ahluwalia discuss the current macroeconomic landscape, describing it as a Goldilocks economy with constructive conditions for risk assets. They delve into the dynamics of Bitcoin as an attention and momentum asset, the implications of fiscal dominance, and the relationship between trade deficits and capital flows. Ahluwalia highlights opportunities in emerging markets, the impact of AI on productivity, and the potential risks associated with the AI bubble. He also addresses Bitcoin's current struggles and the promise of tokenization in transforming finance. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

00:58 The Goldilocks Econ...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Michael Nadeau discuss the shifting economic landscape in the U.S., focusing on macro risks, trade imbalances, and the role of tariffs. Michael explores the implications of fiscal deficits and government spending dynamics, as well as the geopolitical factors influencing currency adjustments. The discussion also delves into Bitcoin's market behavior, liquidity concerns, and the impact of globalization on production. Nadeau emphasizes the interplay of capital flows and asset valuations, market psychology, and the unique position of Bitcoin in the current economic climate, while looking ahead to potential opportunities and risks for 2026. 

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Mitchell Askew discuss the intricate relationship between Bitcoin mining and energy demand, the impact of weather on mining operations, and the evolving landscape of Bitcoin as it gains traction on Wall Street. They share insights from their journey in the Bitcoin space, the economic dynamics of mining, and the potential future of Bitcoin mining companies like Blockware and 21. The discussion also touches on tax incentives that are encouraging new participants to enter the Bitcoin mining sector, as well as predictions for the market's trajectory in the coming years. 

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In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Hubertus Hofkirchner discuss the current state of Bitcoin as a monetary system, emphasizing that while Bitcoin has potential as base money, it lacks the necessary credit layer to function effectively in the real economy. He explores the historical context of money, the importance of elasticity in monetary systems, and the role of credit money. Hofkirchner introduces the BitCredit protocol, which aims to create a decentralized credit system using e-bills and Wildcat mints, while also addressing the need for non-custodial e-cash solutions. The discussion highlights the challenges and opportunities in building a Bitcoin-based economy.<...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Brent Johnson discuss the multifaceted role of money, particularly focusing on stablecoins and their implications for the US dollar and global economy. They explore the intersection of money, power, and sovereignty, emphasizing how stablecoins could enhance the dollar's dominance while also posing challenges for other currencies. The discussion delves into the historical context of money, the libertarian perspective on economic systems, and the potential future of banking in light of stablecoin adoption.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:09 The Power of Money as a Weapon
02:57 Brent Johnson: Insights on Stablecoins
06:00 The...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Jordan Permabull, the founder of Levolytics, discuss the critical importance of execution over analysis in trading, particularly in the volatile crypto market. Jordan shares his journey into the crypto space, insights on current market conditions, and the significance of understanding market signals and volume. The discussion emphasizes the need for risk management, patience, and having a formalized trading plan to navigate the complexities of the market effectively. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

00:56 Execution Over Analysis 

03:04 Market Conditions and Disorderly Price Action 

06:08 The Evolution of Bitcoi...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Charles Edwards talk about the current Bitcoin market, how to navigate drawdowns and the role of Bitcoin Treasury Companies. Furthermore, they delve into the imminent threat posed by quantum computing to Bitcoin's cryptographic security. They predict that within the next two to ten years, quantum technology could effectively break Bitcoin's elliptic curve cryptography, with a more likely timeframe of four to five years. Insights from thought leaders in the quantum space, including Jameson Lopp and reports from McKinsey, highlight the urgency of addressing this potential vulnerability in digital currencies.

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In this conversation, Jordi Visser and Pascal Hügli discuss the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on the financial landscape, particularly in relation to Bitcoin. Jordi argues that AI represents a new form of quantitative easing, changing market dynamics. Visser also addresses the philosophical evolution of Bitcoin, its role in addressing inequality, and the implications of AI on labor and employment. He emphasizes the importance of human experience in an increasingly AI-driven world and speculates on the future of money in a potential age of abundance. Concerns about quantum computing and its implications for Bitcoin's security are also explored. Duration: 00:58:01

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Murad Mahmudov discuss the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, focusing on the interconnectedness of global trends such as AI, inequality, and the potential for Universal Basic Income (UBI). They emphasize the importance of community and cultural shifts in crypto investment, particularly with the emergence of SPX 6900 as a vehicle for wealth redistribution. The discussion also touches on the psychological aspects of market participation and the need for a decentralized approach to leadership in the crypto space. 

Chapters: 

00:00  Intro

00:59  What is Murad doing right now? 

05:58  The Intersection of AI...

In this conversation Michael Nadeau and Pascal Hügli share insights into the unique characteristics of Bitcoin, the dynamics of the crypto market, and the importance of liquidity and macroeconomic factors. They discuss investment strategies, the significance of production costs in determining Bitcoin's fair value, and the role of developer activity in blockchain ecosystems. Additionally, they analyze how to value blockchains and the serious nature of meme coins in the investment landscape.

Chapters:
00:00 Introduction Michael Nadeau
02:09 Understanding Bitcoin vs. Other Cryptos
03:30 The Unique Nature of Bitcoin
05:16 Bitcoin's Correlation with Other Cryptos
06:20 Market D...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Lighthouse Macro (Bob Sheehan) discuss the current state of funding and treasury markets, emphasizing the importance of liquidity and the systemic risks posed by regional banks. He highlights the impact of government actions on market stability and the growing influence of Bitcoin and crypto on traditional financial systems. The discussion also covers shifts in treasury market buyers and the pressures faced by primary dealers, concluding with insights on future risks and the evolving landscape of macro strategy. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro
01:16 Introduction to Lighthouse Macro and Bob's Background 
04:11 The Cur...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Robert, also known as Infra, share his journey from a nerdy childhood focused on medicine to becoming a macroeconomic enthusiast. He discusses the complexities of macroeconomics, the significance of bond auctions, and the current inflationary pressures affecting the economy. Robert emphasizes the challenges faced by the average American in understanding economic systems and the implications of labor market dynamics. He also explores the role of gold as a safe haven asset amidst currency devaluation and the growing wealth disparity in a K-shaped economy. 

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00:00 Introduction to Infronomics and...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Jamie Coutts discuss the current state of the cryptocurrency market, focusing on Bitcoin's price dynamics, demand factors, and the influence of liquidity and economic growth. They  analyze the role of treasury companies and ETFs in driving Bitcoin's price, compares current market conditions to previous cycles, and assesses risks associated with market positioning. They also emphasize the importance of understanding asset adoption and network growth while outlining future research initiatives aimed at improving crypto investment strategies. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Introduction and Overview of Bitcoin's Market Dynamics 

03:05 Bitcoin Weakness due t...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Ben Kizemchuk discuss the current state of equity markets, focusing on volatility, the implications of the VIX, and the behavior of 'garbage stocks.' They explore the financial plumbing of the U.S. system, including liquidity issues and the impact of treasury issuance. The discussion also touches on inflation trends, defensive investment strategies, and the evolution of market valuation towards a flow-based model. Huegli emphasizes the importance of understanding these dynamics in the context of potential market declines and the future of economic policy.

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction and Context
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In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Johan Bergman discuss their journey into Bitcoin, the investment strategies of Michael Saylor, and the intricacies of convertible debt and preferred equity in relation to Bitcoin investments. They emphasize the importance of understanding the capital stack, credit ratings, and risk management in investment strategies. The discussion also touches on the future of Bitcoin, the role of strategic liability reserves, and the potential for new investment opportunities in the evolving financial landscape. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

01:49 Introduction and Background 

06:52 The Journey to Bitcoin Understanding 

10:44 Michae...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Willy Woo discuss his journey in the Bitcoin space, the dynamics of market cycles, and the importance of liquidity. He delves into the four-year cycle of Bitcoin, the role of treasury companies, and the balance between decentralization and centralization. They also explore the use of Bitcoin as collateral, its potential as a medium of exchange, and the challenges faced by hedge fund managers in the current market environment. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

01:11 Market Dynamics and Current Trends 

04:39 Understanding Bitcoin's Four-Year Cycle 

11:02 Liquidity Cycles and Ec...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli with Joe Consorti and Smeet Bhatt, co-founders of Horizon, discuss the innovative financial product Horizon, which allows homeowners to tap into their home equity to invest in Bitcoin. They explain the mechanics of home equity investments, the potential market size, and the risks involved. They emphasize the importance of Bitcoin as a long-term investment and how Horizon aims to bridge the gap between traditional home equity and cryptocurrency investments. The discussion also touches on the evolving perception of Bitcoin in mainstream media and its growing acceptance as a legitimate financial asset. 

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In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Caleb Franzen discuss their background in wealth management and the founding of Cubic Analytics. They delve into macroeconomic trends, particularly focusing on inflation, monetary policy, and the dynamics of risk assets like equities and Bitcoin. They emphasize the importance of understanding inflation metrics, the impact of tariffs, and the current state of the labor market. They also share insights on technical analysis, investment strategies, and the overall bullish sentiment in the market despite some economic softness.

Chapters:

00:00 Intro 

01:40 Understanding Inflation Dynamics

02:09 Analyzing Recent CP...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Henrik Zeberg discuss the current economic landscape, emphasizing the inevitability of economic cycles and the importance of leading indicators in predicting recessions. They critique the notion that 'this time is different' in economic contexts, arguing that historical patterns tend to repeat. The discussion also covers the dynamics of digital assets, particularly the role of Ethereum in market movements, and the potential for an upcoming recession as economic indicators show signs of slowing down. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 

01:17 Economic Realities and Misconceptions 

07:05 Leading Indicators and Economic Predi...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Benjamin Cowen delve into the current state of the cryptocurrency market, focusing on Bitcoin's support levels, historical trends, and the implications of September seasonality. They discuss investment strategies for Bitcoin versus altcoins, the divergence between gold and Bitcoin, and the potential impact of midterm elections on market dynamics. The conversation also covers portfolio management techniques, the relevance of market cycle indicators, and the outlook for Ethereum and other altcoins. Overall, the discussion provides valuable insights for investors navigating the complexities of the crypto landscape. 

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:34 Market Dy...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Yann Allemann, co-founder of Glassnode and SwissBlock, discuss the current market environment for Bitcoin and altcoins, emphasizing the importance of liquidity and systematic strategies in trading. He explains how liquidity acts as a key indicator for market movements and the potential for future altcoin seasons. Yann also shares insights into the frameworks developed for analyzing market phases and signals, providing a comprehensive overview of the cryptocurrency landscape. 

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00:00 Intro

01:34 Introduction to Jan and Swissblock

05:10 Understanding Systematic Trading Strategies

09:52 Liquidity as...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Tyler Neville, a macro expert and market structure analyst, discusses the current state of the financial system, which he refers to as 'Weimar America.' They explore the implications of government policies, market structures, and the role of buybacks in corporate strategies. Tyler shares his insights on managing risk in the short term while maintaining a long-term bullish outlook. The discussion also delves into the geopolitical landscape, the future of markets, and the potential of Bitcoin as a store of value amidst ongoing economic challenges.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:37 Weimar America...

In this conversation, Mel Madison and Pascal Hügli discuss the current economic landscape, focusing on the impact of AI and fiscal initiatives, the significance of tariffs, and the dislocation between financial markets and the real economy. They explore the role of AI in driving economic growth, the dynamics of the housing market, and the implications of energy costs on inflation. Additionally, Mel shares insights on market cycles, interest rates, and the influence of MMT principles on government spending. The conversation concludes with a discussion on investment strategies and the potential for energy bottlenecks to affect future economic growth. Duration: 01:15:41

In this conversation, Gabor Gurbache and Pascal Hugli discuss Tether's evolution towards a comprehensive capital market structure, emphasizing the importance of tokenization and Bitcoin's role in creating a more efficient financial system. They highlight the challenges of traditional financial markets, the impact of regulation on stablecoins, and the future of asset ownership in a digital world.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:54 Tether's Vision for Capital Markets
10:00 The Role of Bitcoin in New Financial Structures
19:57 Tokenization and Its Impact on Financial Systems
29:26 Regulatory Landscape and Its Implications for Stablecoins

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In this conversation, Daniel Batten and Pascal Hugli discuss the critical role of Bitcoin mining in the green energy transition, debunking myths surrounding its environmental impact. They draw parallels between Bitcoin and other disruptive technologies, emphasizing its potential to solve pressing climate issues. Batten highlights Bitcoin's social utility, particularly in empowering underserved communities, and addresses concerns about governance and decentralization. They conclude by encouraging a broader understanding of Bitcoin as a neutral technology that can be harnessed for positive change.

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:44 Bitcoin Mining: A Critical Component of Green Energy Transition Duration: 01:19:45

In this conversation, Ricardo Salinas and Pascal Hugli discuss the transformative potential of Bitcoin, likening it to digital gold and emphasizing the importance of education in achieving financial freedom. He shares insights on corporate strategies for Bitcoin investment, the implications of government involvement, and his libertarian views on state power. Salinas also highlights the significance of continuous education and social initiatives aimed at fostering understanding of Bitcoin. He reflects on the lessons learned from his entrepreneurial journey and offers advice to the Bitcoin community regarding privacy and investment strategies.

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

01:44 T...

In this conversation, Michael Howell and Pascal Hügli explore the late stages of the current liquidity cycle, noting how policymakers are working to extend it by injecting more liquidity. They examine how a weakening dollar supports global liquidity, the relevance of the MOVE index, and how Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent aims to shorten duration—despite criticizing his predecessor, Janet Yellen. The discussion also covers the role of stablecoins in the U.S. debt landscape, why they differ from the eurodollar market, and how their adoption could inhibit bank credit growth. Finally, they consider how these developments point toward a M...

In this conversation, James Check from Checkonchain and Pascal Hügli discuss the current market dynamics, Bitcoin price discovery, and investor sentiment surrounding Bitcoin. James emphasizes the importance of understanding market psychology, the need for patience among investors, and the potential coexistence of Bitcoin and fiat currencies in the future. The discussion also touches on strategies for navigating the market, recognizing blind spots, and preparing for potential bear markets. 

Chapters: 

00:00 Intro 
01:55 Market Dynamics and Bitcoin's Current Trend
03:57 Price Discovery and Volume Analysis 
09:58 Investor Sentiment and Market Psychology 
18:06 Long-Term Strategies and Planning 
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 In this conversation, Ben Kizemchuk and Pascal Hugli delve into the concept of fiscal dominance and its implications for the economy, exploring how government spending is becoming the primary driver of economic growth. They introduce the 'Four F's' framework—fiscal dominance, financial repression, passive flows, and fiat—as a way to understand the current economic regime. The discussion also covers the impact of passive investment flows on market dynamics, the relevance of gold and Bitcoin in this new landscape, and practical investment strategies for navigating these changes. The speakers emphasize the need for investors to adapt to a rapidly evolv...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Gabriel delve into the complexities of the monetary system, focusing on the Federal Reserve, the Treasury's role, and the dynamics of liquidity in the market. They discuss the implications of the Treasury General Account (TGA) and extraordinary measures related to the debt ceiling, as well as the importance of global liquidity metrics. The conversation also touches on the Supplementary Leverage Ratio (SLR) and its impact on banks, alongside insights into technical analysis and Bitcoin trends.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:17 Understanding Money and the Federal Reserve
05:00 The Role of the Treasury...

In this conversation, Will Clemente and Pascal Hügli delve into the complex interplay between politics and economics, particularly focusing on figures like Trump and Musk. They explore the current state of the U.S. economy, the implications of the national debt, and the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, including Bitcoin's role as a hedge against economic instability. The discussion also touches on the future of altcoins, the rise of crypto equities, and the responsibilities of key opinion leaders (KOLs) in the crypto space.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:23 Trump, Musk, and the Political Landscape
08:57 Alpha from a C...

In this conversation, Lyn Alden and Pascal Hügli delve into the intricate relationship between central banking, war making, fiat currency, and Bitcoin. They explore how central banks have historically financed sovereign activities, the implications of monetary policy on economic cycles, and the potential future of Bitcoin as a rival to traditional fiat systems. The discussion also touches on the challenges of Bitcoin adoption, the role of government debt, and the evolving landscape of monetary policy, including the rise of CBDCs and MMT. At what point will Bitcoin be big enough to challenge government financing? Pascal and Lyn tackle t...

In this conversation, Jordi Visser and Pascal Hügli discuss the current debt situation, the impact of artificial intelligence on markets and productivity, and the evolving labor landscape. They emphasize that while the U.S. debt is a concern, it is part of a larger global issue. AI is seen as a transformative force that will enhance productivity and profit margins, but it also poses challenges for the labor market. The discussion highlights the interconnectedness of these themes and the need for a nuanced understanding of the economic landscape. They also discuss the relevance of traditional economic statistics in a...

In this conversation, Eric Weiss and Pascal Hügli discuss how Eric orange-pilled Michael Saylor, the influence he has on the legitimacy of Bitcoin, and the growing adoption of Bitcoin among high-net-worth individuals. They talk about addressing concerns regarding Bitcoin ownership and the criticisms faced by prominent figures in the Bitcoin space. Weiss also explores the concept of Bitbonds and the potential for government involvement in Bitcoin acquisition, emphasizing the importance of Bitcoin as a safe haven asset.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:33 Introduction to Bitcoin and Michael Saylor
02:58 Eric Weiss: Journey into Bitcoin Investment
06:01 The I...

In this conversation, Sean Bill, CIO at Blockstream, and Pascal Hügli discuss the potential of Bitcoin as a significant asset for institutional investors, particularly public pension funds. Sean highlights Bitcoin's unique volatility characteristics, its low correlation with traditional asset classes, and its potential to address unfunded liabilities in pension plans. The discussion also covers Bitcoin's value proposition, comparing it to gold, and addresses common misconceptions about Bitcoin being merely a tech stock. Bill emphasizes the emerging trend of state-level Bitcoin reserves. They also discuss the importance of self-sovereignty in Bitcoin holdings and the potential impact of institutional players o...

This conversation with Eric Balchunas and Pascal Hügli delves into the transformative role of Bitcoin ETFs in bridging the gap between traditional finance and the cryptocurrency world. The discussion highlights the convenience and trust associated with ETFs, their rapid approval process, and the significant inflows they have attracted. The conversation also explores the demographics of ETF holders, the strength of their investment strategies, and future projections for Bitcoin ETFs, emphasizing the importance of understanding tracking errors and performance metrics when choosing an ETF. The speakers also explore the performance of Ethereum ETFs, the SEC's criteria for approving crypto E...

This conversation with Pascal Hugli and Byron Gilliam explores the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, drawing parallels between the current crypto market and the historical junk bond industry. The discussion highlights the potential of crypto to democratize access to capital while also addressing the cynical aspects of its commercialization and political implications. The speakers delve into the complexities of valuing crypto assets, emphasizing the distinction between social claims and legal claims in the context of token ownership. This conversation delves into the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, focusing on the legal implications of crypto claims, the changing revenue models of protocols...

In this conversation, Luke Gromen and Pascal Hügli discuss the complexities of the current economic landscape, focusing on capital controls, tariff strategies, and the implications of the U.S. dollar's reserve status. They emphasize the contradictions in U.S. economic policies and the need for a neutral reserve asset to address imbalances. Gromen argues that bitcoin is perfectly positioned for global capital controls and would thus profit tremendously. The discussion also highlights the challenges faced by the US in projecting military power and managing its debt, as well as the potential for a shift towards a new monetary o...

In this conversation, Pascal Hügli and Jeff Park discuss the unique financialization potential of Bitcoin, its volatility, and the role of corporations in its adoption. They explore how Bitcoin serves as a collateral asset and the implications of indices on corporate strategies. The discussion also touches on the cultural significance of Bitcoin and its future in the global economy. The discussion also touches on the interconnectedness of Bitcoin and stablecoins, suggesting a flywheel effect that could drive further adoption and market growth.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:55 Bitcoin and Hyperfinancialization
15:02 Cultural and Social Capital of Bitcoin Duration: 00:59:27

In this conversation, Kevin Mills and Pascal Hugli discuss the valuation of Ethereum, critiquing its perceived value as both a digital asset and a network. He argues that Ethereum's dual role as a gas token and a store of value is fundamentally flawed, leading to a disconnect between its technological potential and market valuation. The discussion covers various aspects of Ethereum's economic model, including cash flow analysis, institutional perspectives, and the implications of Layer 2 solutions on its future. This conversation delves into the valuation challenges of Ethereum, exploring its economic fundamentals, the implications of Metcalfe's law, and the concept...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Mel Mattison delve into the intricacies of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT) and its implications for the U.S. economy, particularly in the context of the Trump administration's policies. They explore the intersection of philosophy and finance, emphasizing the importance of understanding historical financial systems and their impact on current economic challenges. The discussion highlights the looming crisis surrounding Social Security and entitlement programs, the political landscape's reluctance to address these issues, and the broader implications for the global economic system. The speakers also consider the future of the U.S. dollar and the...

 In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Michael Every discuss the collapse of the liberal world order and its implications for global finance and geopolitics. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the interconnectedness of various factors, including technology, trade, and inequality, in shaping the future landscape. Every critiques the simplistic views often held about macroeconomic indicators and stresses the need for a more nuanced approach to investment and strategy in a rapidly changing world. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of global issues, emphasizing the persistent nature of problems akin to the mythological Hydra. They discuss the d...

In this conversation, Paolo Ardoino, the CEO of Tether and Pascal Hügli, discuss the ethos of Bitcoin and Tether's journey in the cryptocurrency space. Paolo emphasizes the importance of stablecoins in emerging markets, their role as better banks compared to traditional institutions, and the potential of technology to enhance human capabilities. The discussion also touches on the challenges faced by stablecoins and their impact on global economies, particularly in regions with unstable currencies.

Chapters:
00:00 Intro
02:01 Tether as Economic Force for good
12:03 Tether's Role in Emerging Markets
23:58 The Future of Technology and Human E...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Prince Filip of Serbia discuss the historical context and current sentiment towards monarchy in Serbia, the synergies between monarchy and Bitcoin, and the differences between nationalism and patriotism. Prince Filip elaborates on his royal heritage, the potential for monarchies to return in the future, and how Bitcoin influences governance and individual property rights. In this conversation, they explore the evolving landscape of Bitcoin adoption across various nation-states, the implications of political leadership on cryptocurrency, and the cultural factors influencing understanding and acceptance of Bitcoin. They discuss the importance of individual property rights, the...

In this conversation, Matt Cole and Pascal Hügli discuss the significant disruption AI poses to corporate America and the necessity for companies to adapt by investing in innovative technologies like Bitcoin. The discussion also covers the concept of the hurdle rate in corporate finance and how it influences investment decisions, as well as the potential for 'zombie companies' to thrive by adopting Bitcoin as a core asset. Matt and Pascal explore the challenges faced by C-suite executives in understanding and integrating Bitcoin into their companies, the implications for companies like GameStop, and the necessity for high-risk investments in a...

 In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Travis Kling discusses the concept of financial nihilism, which highlights the growing wealth inequality and the unattainability of the American dream for younger generations. He explores how this nihilism leads to radical risk-taking behaviors, such as the rise of sports gambling and meme coins. Kling also delves into the significance of Bitcoin as a tool for human cooperation and coordination, while reflecting on his personal faith journey and the importance of absolute truths in both faith and finance. In this conversation, the speakers explore the intersections of Bitcoin, faith, and human nature. They d...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Benjamin Cowen discusses the current state of Bitcoin and its market dynamics, focusing on the implications of the recent death cross, investor sentiment, and strategies for navigating the cryptocurrency landscape. He emphasizes the importance of understanding market trends, the potential impact of a recession, and the significance of risk metrics in making informed investment decisions. Cowan also shares insights on dollar-cost averaging and the importance of maintaining a balanced portfolio in uncertain times. In this conversation, the speakers delve into various investment strategies for Bitcoin and Ethereum, discussing risk management, market d...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Spencer Hakimian discusses the current state of the U.S. economy, focusing on the rising bond yields and falling dollar, which signal a crisis of confidence. He emphasizes the importance of the bond market for economic stability and the need for global coordination in addressing these issues. The conversation also touches on the potential for a failed bond auction and the implications for U.S. monetary policy. Finally, Huegli shares insights on investment strategies in uncertain times, advocating for a balanced approach to risk.

Chapters:
00:48 Intro 
02:15 Crisis of Confidence i...

This conversation with Pascal Hugli and Melih delves into the current economic and political turmoil in Turkey, highlighting the severe inflation, the withdrawal of foreign investments, and the implications of upcoming elections. The discussion also touches on the social impact of these crises, including the decline in living standards and the mental health challenges faced by citizens. The conversation paints a grim picture of a country struggling with its identity and future amidst a backdrop of political maneuvering and economic instability. This conversation delves into the complex socio-political landscape of Turkey, focusing on immigration policies, the challenges faced by...

In this conversation, Joe Consorti and Pascal Hügli explore the complex relationship between Bitcoin and global liquidity, particularly Global M2. They emphasize the need to move beyond traditional liquidity metrics, introducing a new asset-backed liquidity framework that offers deeper insights into market dynamics and lending activity — both essential for understanding Bitcoin’s value proposition. The discussion also highlights Bitcoin’s ongoing maturation as an asset and its potential role as a hedge against monetary debasement, reflecting the shifting landscape of global finance. Consorti and Hügli also dive into the nuances of liquidity measurement, with a special focus on TBL's...

In this conversation, Alex Bergeron and Pascal Hügli discuss the current state of Bitcoin and blockchain scalability, emphasizing the importance of decentralization and the role of institutions in Bitcoin's future. They explore the differences between Bitcoin's Lightning Network and Ethereum's scaling solutions, highlighting the significance of local consensus in Bitcoin's architecture. Furthermore, the conversation delves into the intricacies of the newly introduced ARK protocol, exploring the implications for decentralization, financial systems, and the future of Bitcoin. ARK holds the potential to revolutionize transaction batching and enable Bitcoin-native capital markets. 

Chapters:

00:57 Intro 
02:18 The State of...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Jamie Coutts discusses the current state of the cryptocurrency market, particularly Bitcoin, in relation to macroeconomic factors and liquidity conditions. He emphasizes the end of quantitative easing and the importance of the dollar's strength in shaping market dynamics. The discussion also touches on the impact of political changes on the crypto landscape, the significance of liquidity and government spending, and the current state of altcoins. Jamie provides insights into various market indicators and their implications for future price movements in Bitcoin and altcoins, highlighting the need for investors to be aware of these...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Rolf Kubli discusses the concept of Real World Assets (RWAs) and the implications of tokenization in capital markets. He critiques the term 'real world asset' as misleading and emphasizes the importance of understanding what is being tokenized. The discussion also touches on the role of institutions in the tokenization process and the potential for blockchain technology to enhance capital efficiency and collateralization in financial markets. Kubli highlights the ongoing developments in capital markets and the future of tokenization, particularly in relation to major players like BlackRock. In this conversation, the speakers delve into...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Jim Bianco discusses the evolving economic landscape under Trump's policies, focusing on the implications of tariffs, defense spending, and the Mar-a-Lago Accord. He emphasizes the need for a shift in the U.S. economic strategy, particularly in relation to the S&P 500 and the global economy. The discussion also touches on the potential outcomes of these policies for the average American and the contradictions inherent in maintaining the dollar's reserve currency status while reducing its global circulation. This conversation delves into the complexities of economic adjustments, the sustainability of national debt, and the...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Dr. Joshua R. Hendrickson discusses the implications of the Trump administration's monetary policies, the role of Bitcoin as a strategic asset, and the complexities of the global monetary system. The discussion delves into the benefits and costs of the U.S. dollar's status as the global reserve currency, the socioeconomic impacts of current monetary policies, and the potential need for reform to address systemic issues. The conversation highlights the interconnectedness of economic policies and societal challenges, emphasizing the importance of understanding these dynamics in shaping the future of finance and trade. This conversation...

In this conversation, Pascal Hugli and Stefan Rust discusses the concept of True Inflation, a decentralized approach to measuring inflation that aims to provide real-time economic data. He explains the methodology behind True Inflation, the data sources used, and the challenges faced in aggregating accurate data. The discussion also covers the differences between True Inflation and government metrics, the financial community's interest in these metrics, and the potential for real-time data aggregation in the future. Rust emphasizes the need for modernized inflation metrics and shares insights into the business model of True Inflation, including subscription services and partnerships with...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Aahan Menon discuss the complexities of economic indicators, focusing on growth, inflation, and liquidity. They explore how these factors interrelate and impact investment strategies, emphasizing the importance of a comprehensive understanding of the economy. Menon shares insights from Prometheus Research, highlighting their unique approach to macroeconomic analysis and portfolio creation for both retail and institutional investors. The discussion also touches on the current economic landscape, the challenges of measuring inflation, and the evolving role of liquidity in financial markets. In this conversation, Pascal Huegli provides a comprehensive analysis of the current economic landscape...

In this conversation, Thomas Hogan and Pascal Hügli discuss the role of central banks in the economy compared to Bitcoin, the concept of a Bitcoin standard, and the implications of base money in today's financial system. They emphasize the differences between Bitcoin and fiat currencies, particularly in terms of scarcity and monetary policy. The discussion also touches on the historical context of the gold standard and how it relates to the potential future of Bitcoin as a base money. Last but not least, Hogan also elaborates the potential for Bitcoin to serve as base money in a new f...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and James Chek discuss Bitcoin's latest flush out, focusing on the demand side, price levels, sell-side pressure, and investor psychology. They analyze the recent price corrections, the implications of on-chain data, and the overall market dynamics. Furthermore, James shares his personal journey towards focusing solely on Bitcoin, highlighting its unique value proposition and the lack of fundemantal demand for alternative crypto. He also touches on institutional interest in Bitcoin and the implications for the broader digital asset market. 

 Chapters:

00:00 Intro
01:39 Sell-Side Pressure and Market Dynamics
05:50 Understanding Bitcoin's Volatility Duration: 00:42:59

In this conversation, Fred Krueger and Pascal Hügli discuss Krueger's journey from bond trading to becoming a Bitcoin advocate. He discusses the rise of memecoins, the future of layer one blockchains, and the role of stablecoins in the crypto ecosystem. Fred emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as a store of value while also acknowledging the potential of other cryptocurrencies. He predicts a significant shift in regulation and the impact of AI on cryptocurrency transactions, ultimately concluding that the crypto space will see a winner emerge due to network effects. Together, they also explore Bitcoin's journey towards mainstream adoption, i...

In this conversation, Lawrence Lepard and Pascal Hügli discuss Lepard's journey from a traditional investment manager to a strong advocate for Bitcoin and sound money. He shares insights from his newly released book, 'The Big Print,' which addresses the issues of inflation and the decline of the middle class in America. Lepard emphasizes the importance of understanding Bitcoin as a solution to the current financial system's problems, particularly the role of the Federal Reserve in perpetuating inflation. He expresses optimism about the potential for political movements to advocate for sound money and the impact of technology and d...

In this conversation, Shehzan Maredia and Pascal Hügli discuss the innovative non-custodial borrowing solution for Bitcoin users. They contrast Lava's approach with Coinbase's recent loan offerings, highlighting the security and cost benefits of Lava's model. The discussion delves into the risks associated with borrowing against Bitcoin, including liquidation risks and the importance of price oracles. Shehzan explains how Lava allows users to manage their borrowing risks effectively and explores the future of collateralization in the cryptocurrency space, including the implications of wrapped Bitcoin. They also discuss the innovative use of Discreet Log Contracts (DLCs) in the Bitcoin ecosystem, e...

In this conversation, Nik Bhatia and Pascal Hügli delve into the complexities of Bitcoin, macroeconomics, and the nature of money. They explore Nik's journey from a rates trader to a Bitcoin advocate, discussing the differences between money, currency, and credit. The conversation highlights the implications of cash in today's economy and the decentralized nature of the global banking dollar, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of these concepts. Furthermore they delve into the complexities of money creation, inflation dynamics, and the role of central banks in today's economic landscape. They explore how demand influences money supply and i...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Tom Dunleavy discuss the implications of Trump's crypto initiatives, particularly focusing on the launch of Trump Coin and its effects on the crypto market. They explore the onboarding of new users into the crypto space, the potential long-term effects of celebrity coins, and the regulatory challenges faced by meme coins. The discussion also touches on the evolving landscape of crypto as a form of capitalism and the need for clarity in regulations surrounding token issuance. In this conversation, Pascal Huegli discusses the evolving landscape of financial markets, particularly focusing on the roles of...

In this conversation, Alex Thorn and Pascal Hügli discuss the recent developments in the crypto industry, particularly in light of the Trump administration's actions and policies. They explore Alex's background at Galaxy, the changes in regulatory bodies like the CFTC and SEC, and the implications of the executive order on digital assets. The discussion highlights the importance of patience in the crypto community and the potential for positive changes in regulation and innovation in the coming months. Furthermore, they discuss the recent repeal of SAB 121, a controversial SEC regulation that impacted how banks and public companies handle cryptocurrency a...

In this conversation, James Van Straten and Pascal Huegli explore the evolving landscape of Bitcoin, focusing on its adoption by corporations, the implications for companies labeled as 'zombie' entities, and the unique case of El Salvador as a pioneer in Bitcoin integration. They discuss the cyclical nature of Bitcoin's market, the strategies companies are employing to incorporate Bitcoin into their treasury, and the potential future of Bitcoin as a distinct asset class. The conversation also touches on the role of miners and the complexities of their business models in relation to Bitcoin's price movements. Last but not least, they...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli discusses the current economic landscape, focusing on inflation trends, the impact of a strong dollar, liquidity challenges, and the strategies of MicroStrategy regarding Bitcoin. He also explores the potential for a strategic Bitcoin reserve under the Trump administration and the implications of stablecoin growth for Bitcoin's future.

Timestamps:

00:00 Intro
01:21 Strong Labor Report
03:11 Is the Cutting Cycles over?
04:47 Inflation concerns
07:37 The Impact of the Strong Dollar
10:25 Is DOGE deflationary?
13:03 Liquidity and Debt Ceiling Challenges
18:08 Debt Refinancing Wall is coming
21:24 Trump Inauguration and Crypto<...

In this conversation, Ethan Peck and Pascal Hügli discuss the intersection of corporate finance and Bitcoin, advocating for shareholder activism that promotes corporate neutrality and fiduciary responsibility. Ethan shares insights on his proposals to major corporations like Microsoft and Amazon, emphasizing the need for companies to reassess their cash and bond holdings in favor of Bitcoin. The discussion also touches on the challenges of navigating corporate structures and the societal implications of corporate Bitcoin adoption. 

Timestamps:

00:00 Corporate Finance and Bitcoin: A New Perspective
05:06 Shareholder Activism: Bridging Ideologies
09:53 The Proposal Process: Navigating Corporate St...

In this conversation, Bill Barhydt and Pascal Hügli discuss the evolution of banking in the context of Bitcoin and decentralized finance. The discussion covers the impact of AI on banking jobs, the role of humans in an increasingly automated world, and the current services available for borrowing against Bitcoin. For Bill Bitcoin holds the potential to revolutionize banking systems, especially in developing markets. He emphasizes the need for individuals to secure their Bitcoin in personal vaults rather than exchanges, the financial benefits of using Bitcoin as collateral, and the transformative impact of cryptocurrencies on remittances and credit systems g...

In this conversation, Cole Garner shares his insights on trading and investing in the cryptocurrency market, focusing on the importance of understanding market cycles, timing, and effective strategies for buying and selling Bitcoin. He discusses the concept of alpha decay, the psychological factors influencing market participants, and provides practical advice for navigating the complexities of crypto market tops. Garner emphasizes the significance of having a well-defined exit strategy and the need to prepare for market volatility. He also reveals whether or not the market top is in.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Cole Garner
03:06 Understanding Alpha...

In this conversation, Ruzbeh Kroner and Pascal Hügli discuss the complexities of Bitcoin custody. They explore Ruzbeh's journey into the Bitcoin space, the inherent risks of self-custody, and the innovative solutions being developed to enhance security and accessibility for Bitcoin holders. Ruzbeh shares his knowledge on legacy planning, recovery mechanisms, and the importance of ongoing support. They explore how recent Bitcoin updates like miniscripts can provide security and peace of mind for individuals, especially high net worth individuals, while also addressing the future of self-custody technology and the role of trust in financial transactions.

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Duration: 00:56:22

In this conversation, Michael Howell and Pascal Hügli discuss the intricate relationship between liquidity cycles, debt, and financial markets. They explore the current state of liquidity, the implications of the maturity wall on refinancing and liquidity, and the ultimate trends in monetary inflation. Howell emphasizes the importance of understanding these dynamics for making informed investment decisions, particularly in relation to assets like gold and Bitcoin. The discussion also delves into the relationship between the dollar's strength and how Bitcoin will do in a strong dollar environment.

Timestamps:
00:00 Understanding Liquidity Cycles and Market Trends
10:01 The R...

In this conversation, Murad Mahmudov and Pascal Hügli talk about how memecoins fit into the broader trend of financial nihilism, why memecoins will be a thing in a hyperbitcoinized world and how Murad deals with the fact that he is called the Memecoin Jesus.

Timestamps:

00:00 The Rise of Meme Coins: A New Asset Class
05:10 Understanding the Appeal of Meme Coins
12:11 Meme Coins vs. Traditional Tokens: A Community Perspective
18:41 Strategies for Identifying Legitimate Meme Coins
23:30 The Future of Meme Coins in Market Cycles
30:51 Meme Coins and Political Influence: A Cultural S...

In this conversation, Andrew Hohns and Pascal Hügli discuss the transformative role of Bitcoin in asset-backed lending, particularly in the context of rising inflation and the need for innovative financial structures. Hohns explains how Battery Finance is leveraging Bitcoin's long-term collateral value to create flexible lending solutions that benefit both borrowers and lenders. The discussion also touches on the broader implications of currency debasement and the importance of understanding these dynamics in today's financial landscape. The conversation also touches on the role of shareholder activism in promoting Bitcoin adoption within corporations and the future possibilities that Bitcoin presents i...

In this conversation, Caitlin Long and Pascal Huegli delve into the complexities of the financial system, discussing the implications of US de-banking, the evolution of economic thought, and the role of Bitcoin as a revolutionary monetary instrument. They explore the historical context of the gold standard, the significance of balance sheets in modern monetary theory, and the potential of Bitcoin to reshape financial transactions in a decentralized manner. The conversation also touches on the recent revelations around US debanking and the need for regulatory change and accountability in the face of overreach, as well as the future of banking...

In this conversation, Mauricio di Bartolomeo and Pascal Huegli discuss the future of Bitcoin lending, the impact of hyperinflation in Venezuela, and the role of Bitcoin in providing economic freedom. Mauricio shares insights on the rise of Bitcoin-backed loans, the importance of education for borrowers, and the tools available to manage risks associated with collateralized loans. Together the hone in on various intricacies, focusing on automated features, risks associated with borrowing, and the importance of managing loan-to-value (LTV) ratios. Mauricio also emphasizes the role of banks in the evolving landscape of Bitcoin lending and predicts a future where borrowing...

In this conversation, Matthew Pines and Pascal Huegli discuss the relevance of a strategic Bitcoin reserve (SBR) for the United States. They explore the intersection of Bitcoin, national security, and emerging technologies, arguing that Bitcoin's existence is rooted in the current global uncertainty and the need for alternative financial systems. The discussion highlights the benefits of establishing a Bitcoin reserve, including signaling U.S. values, strategic positioning in a changing world, and providing a stabilizing effect on the national balance sheet. They also discuss the potential downside risks such move could have on the US, Bitcoin and the world...

In this conversation, Matt Hougan and Pascal Huegli discuss the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency following the recent US elections. Matt highlights the significant changes in regulatory attitudes, the emergence of a pro-crypto Congress, and the grassroots movements that have influenced political outcomes. Hougan also emphasizes the potential for new legislation, including a stablecoin bill and the establishment of a strategic Bitcoin reserve (SBR). He also explores the growing interest from institutional investors and the implications for market dynamics, while addressing potential risks associated with government involvement in the crypto space. The discussion concludes with insights into market psychology and...

In this conversation, Richard Byworth and Pascal Hügli delve into the innovative financial strategies employed by MicroStrategy, particularly focusing on the company's use of convertible bonds and ATMs (At-The-Market offerings) to acquire Bitcoin. They discuss the implications of these strategies on the capital markets, the risks involved, and the potential future of Bitcoin as an asset class. Byworth shares insights from his extensive background in finance, explaining how MicroStrategy's approach has attracted traditional finance investors and created a unique market dynamic.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Richard and MicroStrategy
11:30 The Groundbreaking ATM Announcement
11:47 Understanding M...

In this conversation, Jameson Lopp and Pascal discuss the fundamental principles of Bitcoin, emphasizing its purpose of decentralization. Lopp elaborates on the role of core developers, the concept of ossification, and the potential risks associated with it, including the impact of quantum computing. The discussion also touches on the influence of institutions on Bitcoin's governance and the importance of maintaining a diverse range of contributors to ensure the protocol's resilience. Jameson expresses optimism for Bitcoin's future, highlighting the need for proactive measures to address emerging threats.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Bitcoin and Decentralization
05:55 The Role of...

 In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Nic Carter explore the evolving landscape of crypto, focusing on the rise of stablecoins and their implications for Bitcoin. They talk about various scared cows, the crypto industry still believes in it. They discuss the cyclical relationship between Bitcoin and stablecoins, the challenges of decentralization, and the regulatory environment surrounding stablecoins. The discussion also touches on the philosophical aspects of crypto as a freedom technology, whether it furthers mental illness and why the notion of Bitcoin as a secular religion is ambigious.

Timestamps:

00:00 Slaughtering Crypto's Holy Cows
04:50 The R...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli and Lynn Alden discuss the current economic landscape, focusing on the transition from monetary to fiscal dominance, the implications of government debt and monetary debasement, and the role of Bitcoin as a potential hedge against inflation. They explore how productivity growth interacts with inflation and the significance of debt monetization in the context of central banks and commercial banks holding government debt. Furthermore, they explore what factors influence liquidity in financial markets and what this current interest rate easing cycle might hold and how it differs from previous ones. 

Timestamps:

00:00 U...

In this conversation, Joe Carlasare and Pascal Hügli dive into how Bitcoin intersects with U.S. elections, focusing on the crucial role of fiscal stimulus and regulatory landscapes in shaping Bitcoin’s price and adoption. Joe shares his personal journey from Bitcoin skeptic to advocate, offering insights into how different political administrations could impact the future of digital assets. They also explore which U.S. presidential candidate might be more bullish for crypto, while shedding light on Congress’s ongoing dysfunction in passing effective crypto legislation. The discussion tackles Coinbase’s battles with the SEC, the tangled web of secu...

In this episode, Spencer Hakimian from Tulu Capital and Pascal Hügli discusse the current geopolitical tensions, particularly in the Middle East, and their implications for global markets. He shares insights on investment strategies in uncertain times, the macroeconomic landscape in the US, and the roles of gold and Bitcoin as safe-haven assets. The conversation also touches on the economic situations in Japan and China, and how current easing cycles differ from past experiences.

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction to Spencer Hakimian and Tulu Capital
01:57 Israel vs Iran: Geopolitical Tensions and Market Reactions
08:05 Investment Strategies Amidst G...

In this conversation, Ansel Lindner discusses his contrarian views on central banks, money printing, and the current economic landscape. He argues that we are in a deflationary scenario rather than an inflationary one, challenging the common belief that Bitcoin serves solely as a hedge against inflation. Lindner explains the role of central banks and how they are manipulating the market - but not the way people usually think.

Timestamps
00:00 Introduction and Background
01:45 Contrarian Views on Bitcoin and Money Printing
06:34 The Role of Central Banks
11:27 Bitcoin as a Hedge in Different Scenarios
16:17 Bitcoin's...

James Check, alias Checkmate, and Pascal Hügli dive into why understanding whether you're a trader, investor, or saver is crucial—and how knowing which "bucket" you fall into can shape your investment strategy. They break down the power of enhanced DCA and explain why following the "Sell and buy back later" crowd is a fool's errand. Plus, they reveal how Bitcoin investors can identify absolute bear market bottoms and local tops during bull runs using on-chain metrics!

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:58 Understanding Market Signals and Human Behavior
05:48 The Investor vs. Trader Mindset
09:01 Bitcoin as the...

In this conversation, Pascal Huegli interviews Andre Dragosch, a seasoned expert in finance and crypto They discuss Andre's early experiences with Bitcoin, the current economic landscape, recession indicators, and the future of Bitcoin amidst the current macroeconomic conditions. The conversation delves into the implications of monetary policy, the significance of the Bitcoin halving, and the potential catalysts for Bitcoin's future price movement.


Chapters:
00:00 Intro 
01:11 André's Early Days in Bitcoin
14:45 Understanding the Current Economic Landscape
29:51 Recession Indicators and Their Implications
45:00 Bitcoin's Future: Catalysts and Predictions


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