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This week, Jen and Pete go through their intentions, phrases, and things they are thinking about in preparing for the year ahead.

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In the final days of 2025, Jen and Pete noodle on what should be the top priority to have prepared as we move in to 2026.

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In their annual tradition, Jen and Pete list their very favo(u)rite things of 2025.

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Coining a new term, Jen introduces Pete to the idea of, while working on a project, considering the relative effort of both the creator and the receiver.

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In Pete's version of an episode about running, he noodles with Jen about the idea of cadence, and how to break our routines projects into smaller steps.

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Jen shares a framework with Pete for thinking about many different perspectives at once, as opposed to sticking with the first perspective you might think up.

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After a small existential crisis, Pete asks Jen how he might tell the difference between being competent or complacent.

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This week, Jen teaches Pete her framework of six points of focus, to help grow your career towards your goals.

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After completing his first triathlon, Pete shares with Jen some learning that he found in training, and while swimming, biking, and running.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the question, what if every week was Shark Week (i.e. what if we stopped tying conventional constraints to enjoying the things we love or want to accomplish)?

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the negative aspects of being collegial, and how they might favor challenge instead.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the plateaus we might reach within certain skill sets, and how we might nudge ourselves forward.

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This week, Jen confronts a metaphorical can that she's been kicking down the road for several months, and she and Pete noodle on where else these cans might show up in our lives.

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This week, Pete and Jen dive in to the idea of auditing your leadership tool kit, to help you solve problems and become more efficient.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on a topic that they were both surprised to have never recorded an episode on: momentum.

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With AI being a pervasive topic in 2025, Jen and Pete discuss how they use the tool, and how they might utilize it to help their clients.

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After a week in the woods working on a creative project, Jen brings Pete the lessons she brought back around building something new.

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After being taken by surprise by a question in a workshop, Pete noodles with Jen on what it looks like to show up as the opposite of a curious leader, and how we might return to a more curious state.

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In their annual tradition, Jen talks to Pete about ways in which running (or not running) has taught her about life.

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This week, Jen and Pete dive into a topic that seems to get harder as we get older: making new friends.

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For the first time in three years, Pete is free of lower back pain, and he shares with Jen his journey and learnings on his way to healing.

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This week, Pete and Jen return to basics, and ask the questions: How is it that we build skills?

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This week, Jen shares an aha moment with Pete that she learned during the intensive process of caramelizing onions.

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This week, Jen and Pete focus on appreciation being an added bonus, and not an intention, in creating a project or developing an idea.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the notion of habits, and why some might be easier to reignite than others.

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In exploring the relationship between goal setting and practicality, Jen and Pete noodle on all things related to opportunity cost and rule development.

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This week, Jen tells Pete all about her new hobby, and together they dive in to the positive aspects of snorkeling on land.

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This week, Pete and Jen noodle on the practice of question and answer sessions, including their importance and the possible fears surrounding the unknown.

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This week, Jen and Pete reflect on how grateful they are for their clients, and what they can do when a genius is standing in front of them, ready to be coached.

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This week, Pete and Jen explore the idea of what is "enough", and how we might think about who that enough is for.

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Inspired by one of Stephen Sondheim's core beliefs, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea that less is more, and how that might move them closer to clarity.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea of turning the tassel on habits that are ready to be let go.

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In this mic drop filled episode, Pete introduces Jen to an idea that he learned from his swimming coach, and they dive in to thinking about effort, attention, and process.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea of industry standards, and if / when they should be followed.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle (with some uncertainty) on the relationship between leadership and uncertainty.

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This week, Jen and Pete dive in to the topic of readiness, and how the definition of being ready may change depending on context.

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This week, Pete brings a raw noodle to the table, in order to talk to Jen about the similarities between coaching people and creating inputs for AI.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the notion of an ever-changing "who's it for", and the many different elements that go into thinking about your audience. (Hello, listeners!)

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This week, Pete brings a dilemma to Jen, that he is feeling oversaturated in terms of leadership content, and together, they work to find solutions. (And some of them may surprise you!)

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Borrowing a framework from Claire Hughes Johnson, Pete and Jen toss around the differences between being a victim and a player (and noodle on the words within the phrase itself, of course).

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This week, Jen and Pete thrash about the mystery of their empty can of episodes, and noodle on habits, rules, and constraints.

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In this week's episode, Jen and Pete ask the question: What if you treated yourself the way you treat others?

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on what the hidden meaning might be behind different ways of approaching the seemingly simple task of a mic check.

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Inspired by her teammates, Jen shares with Pete many of the lessons she has learned from the combination of group fitness training and community building.

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Dusting off an old Latin phrase, "It is solved by walking," Pete and Jen noodle on the many benefits of a regular walking and movement practice in our every day lives.

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With many varying use cases, Jen and Pete dive in to the different ways they leverage AI in their day-to-day lives...and some of the answers are very surprising.

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In a surprising topic, Jen and Pete dive in to the process of learning how to do a push up...or the learning that can come from the learning of how to do a push up.

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The inspiration for this week's episode comes from Cate, Jen's daughter, and together, Jen and Pete noodle on a thought-proving statement of hers: The person you want to be is waiting for you on the other side of your fear.

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After facilitating the Real Skills Conference, Pete brings Jen the most valued real skill from a poll of leaders, and together they dissect what it means to be tolerant of uncertainty (and what other words might fit into that phrase).

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Entering into a year full of experiments, Jen asks for Pete's coaching and guidance about what it means to experiment and how to implement the idea in her studio and day-to-day life.

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In a new annual tradition, Pete describes his solo off-site, and Jen interviews him about it, to get to the core of the learnings from the two-day journey.

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At the start of the new year, Jen and Pete share their catchy catchphrases, which incorporate the ideas they'll be thinking about and working on this year.

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After coining yet another phrase, Jen unpacks the idea of relative tanking with Pete, and together they ask the question of why small failures can feel so huge, and how to help with that.

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In their annual tradition, Jen and Pete ping-pong back and forth, going through all of their favorite things of 2024.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea of breaking plans and goals up in to smaller pieces, and wonder what that strategy might help accomplish.

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Isn't it amazing that a podcast meant for curious people has never had an episode based solely on curiosity? This week, Pete and Jen change all that, and noodle together on the subject that is the basis for the creation of this podcast.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on what it means to be a small fish in a big pond, and how they might create more opportunities for themselves to be the small fish.

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Inspired by Jen's ten lessons, this week, Pete goes through thirteen lessons around how to become a better communicator.

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This week, in the spirit of modern-day Thanksgiving, Jen and Pete noodle on how they might turn their gratitude in to action.

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This week, Pete and Jen noodle on the provocative question of: What might not be coachable?

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This week, Jen and Pete go through ten lessons that Jen has learned over her twenty years of coaching actors. (Which are the possible table of contents for her book!)

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This week, Pete and Jen noodle on the following equation: Credibility + Reliability + Intimacy ÷ Self-Orientation = Trustworthiness.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on how they might create games for the daily processes in their lives.

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This week, Jen (a planner) and Pete (not really a planner) go back and forth on what it means to go slow in order to go fast.

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This week, Pete and Jen dive into a topic that they are very familiar with, both with each other and with their clients: partnering.

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To celebrate six years of recording the podcast together, Pete and Jen noodle on six ideas (plus a bonus) that they wish they had known at the start.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the tool of role playing as a way to safely play out what might happen if what you fear were to actually come true.

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Feeling inspired, Pete shares with Jen an experience of a recent workshop he attended, and together they noodle on what they might learn by watching others in action.

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This week, Jen and Pete start to scratch the surface on how they think about rejection, and what helps them move through that feeling.

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This week, Pete and Jen noodle on the assumption that everyone knows the same things that they know, and how they might work in the reverse of that notion.

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This week, Jen uncovered something that has been hiding just under her nose for a long time, and she and Pete discuss that discovery process.

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Feeling somewhat indifferent about the idea of indifference, Pete brings the topic to Jen this week for the two of them to noodle on.

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In their annual episode themed around running, Jen and Pete noodle on the ideas of giving yourself a break, and how that might actually help you move ahead.

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How might Pete and Jen (and the listeners) say the things they think they cannot say? That is the topic that Pete and Jen dig in to this week.

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Jen has (once again) coined a new term, and she and Pete noodle on the process of learning how to pirouette, and how that might be applied in many different contexts.

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This week, Jen surprises Pete with a topic they have (shockingly) never recorded an episode about: time management.

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on an important (but sometimes under-utilized) facet of feedback: appreciation.

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Inspired by a sentiment from Jen's daughter, Pete and Jen explore a network of ideas around the question: What is the bare minimum?

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This week, Pete asks Jen to noodle on how they might help their clients maintain the momentum of their coachings or workshops even after they have left the room.

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After a workshop Jen ran with leaders and coaches, she and Pete thrash about two ideas: A great audition is nothing more than smoke and mirrors, and keep it actionable.

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To celebrate Episode, 300, Jen and Pete host a live recording of The Long and The Short Of It, and noodle on questions presented to them by the listeners.

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This week, Jen and Pete ask and noodle on this question: What might happen when you tell someone, who already knows the whole story, the whole story as if they had never heard it before?

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This week, Jen and Pete noodle on the flying time of a project, and the relationship between flying time and elapsed time.

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Please join Pete and Jen for a live recording session of the Long and The Short Of It, celebrating our 300th episode. It will be an Ask Us Anything episode, so please also send in your questions!

This event will take place on Monday, June 17th at 6pm Eastern Time, which is Tuesday, June 18th at 8am Australian Eastern Time.

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Please join Pete and Jen for a live recording session of The Long and The Short Of It, to celebrate our 300th episode. The recording will take place on Monday, June 10th at 6pm Eastern Time, which is Tuesday, June 11th at 8am Australian Eastern Time.

If you would like to register to attend the session and/or ask a question that may be included in the episode, please head over to www.thelongandtheshortpodcast.com/300. 

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Inspired by the book Unreasonable Hospitality, Pete and Jen noodle on where they can add a bit more unreasonability into their work and every day lives.

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This week, Jen and Pete take (and sort of fail) the cringe test, regarding the work they have put out in to the world, and noodle on how to be more accepting of their former selves.

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Inspired by the year 2,000, Jen and Pete noodle on the anticipation and building up to a big event, and how we might utilize that planning period in our every day life.

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Inspired by advice from a pediatrician, Pete and Jen noodle on questions that inspire a different perspective when it comes to leadership.

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This week, Jen and Pete appreciate the idea of looking for the genius in the every person they interact with, from clients to friends to strangers.

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Inspired by a book by Priya Parker, Pete and Jen noodle on the idea of how to begin the leading of a gathering, and how that beginning might affect the rest of the experience.

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Inspired by a new aha moment, Jen and Pete noodle on how there might be five points of contact in many different social interactions, and how we might prepare for these exchanges.

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Inspired by a song by Gloria Estefan, Jen and Pete noodle on the idea of getting up on your feet early in the creative process.

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Inspired by an idea from James Clear, Pete and Jen noodle on the categorization of a problem as either a muddy puddle or a leaky ceiling.

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This week, Jen and Pete think about procrastination and ask the question: Is this form of procrastination actually helping the work?

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After both having done workshops on feedback, Jen and Pete thrash about the relationship between feedback and dramatic structure.

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After a week of riding his own wave, Pete brings Jen the story of his experience and they thrash about it together.

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This week, Jen and Pete share the tools that their clients and they themselves use in order to muster up some gumption.

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This week, Pete and Jen's love of acronyms brings them to a discussion of Shane Parrish's acronym of H.A.L.T.

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Jen and Pete thrash about the process of creating exercises, and think about when it might be useful to use an exercise when trying to help another person (or themselves) to reach a goal or outcome.

Specifically, in this episode Jen and Pete talk about:

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